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Steve Wohlberg's second letter

On April 22, 2008, Steve Wohlberg released another letter regarding the "Love and Rebuke" dream.1 Instead of providing solid Biblical evidence to prove Ernie's dreams were not from God, Wohlberg instead resorts to human opinion to prove his case.

 

Confessing Jesus came in the flesh

Steve Wohlberg begins his letter by quoting Ernie:

 

“Knowing that an angel of Satan can only answer that Jesus did not come in the flesh, if the Herald stated this, it would prove that he is an agent of Satan and is trying to deceive many. However, if the Herald answered that Jesus did come in the flesh, then that would mean I am not being deceived.” Love and Rebuke, April 12, 2008

 

Wohlberg then makes a statement which implies 1 John 4:1-3 is not really a valid test that Ernie should use:

 

“How do we know for certain that Satan’s angels cannot make such a confession? And even if the Herald does make a true confession, does this really “prove” that he is of God and that Ernie has not been deceived? ” Steve Wohlberg

 

The question we need to ask ourselves is, why did God provide a test whereby we can test false prophets and spirits if the test is not accurate? Either 1 John 4:1-3 is a valid test of a prophet and spirits (angels) or it is not.

 

1 John 4:1-3 only applies to false prophets

“2. The context reveals that this test should be used to detect “false prophets” who have “gone out into the world” (vs. 1). These verses do not say that such a test should be directly applied to an angel, or that a fallen angel cannot make this confession.” Steve Wohlberg

 

Q. Does 1 John 4:1-3 only apply to false prophets?

 

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” 1 John 4:1-3

 

“Through evil spirits they receive communications, and accept them as messages from their lost loved ones. Satan and his agents personate their dead friends, and thus impart to them Satanic delusions. But God has given us a rule whereby to test what is truth. The prophet says: "To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." "He that is of God heareth God's word." "We are of God; he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error." "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God; and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God; and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." The Signs of the Times, Sep. 3, 1894 par. 6

 

Ellen White had no problem teaching that 1 John 4:1-3 could be used to test "evil spirits." She also had no problem using other Bible texts that we wouldn't normally consider a test for an evil spirit. The point we need to be aware of is that because these tests are often thought as being used to test a prophet, the same rules apply to an evil spirit.

 

Q. Does 1 John 4:1-3 teach that demons can confess Jesus came in the flesh?

 

“Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” 1 John 4:2-3

 

The Bible is very specific. Every evil spirit cannot confess that Jesus came in the flesh. And the reason why they cannot is because this beautiful doctrine, understood correctly, teaches us that Jesus took upon Himself human flesh. This wasn't any superhuman flesh like Adam had before he sinned, but weak sinful human flesh like we have. And yet Jesus gained the victory over that fallen flesh and never once sinned. His victory proves to the entire universe, including us, that fallen humanity can obey God's law when it is subjected fully to God's will. And this is something Satan will never admit to because he doesn't want any of us to believe we can overcome as Jesus overcame.

 

For more information about what the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy teach regarding the human nature of Christ, please see our study here.

 

Demons are brilliant deceivers

“3. Demons are brilliant deceivers. They know exactly who Jesus is. The question should be asked: Why can’t demons confess that “Jesus Christ has come in the flesh” if they so choose? What would stop them from doing so? Luke reports: “And demons came out of many, crying out and saying, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of God!’” Luke 4:41. This confession was correct. Thus demons can correctly confess who Jesus Christ is, and still be demons.” Steve Wohlberg

 

Q. What did Jesus do when the devils tried to declare who Jesus was?

 

“And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.” Luke 4:41

 

Q. What does it mean that Jesus came in the flesh?

 

“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:” Romans 8:3

 

Q. Why would the devil not want to confess that Jesus came in the flesh?

 

“But Christ reaches us where we are. He took our nature and overcame, that we through taking His nature might overcome. Made "in the likeness of sinful flesh" (Rom. 8:3), He lived a sinless life. Now by His divinity He lays hold upon the throne of heaven, while by His humanity He reaches us. He bids us by faith in Him attain to the glory of the character of God. Therefore are we to be perfect, even as our 'Father which is in heaven is perfect.'” The Desire of Ages, p. 311.5

 

Ernie too quick to trust the angels in his dream

“To me, Ernie is too quick to trust these “angels.” Cannot Satan quote Scripture too? Yes. We know this from Matthew 4:6 where, while tempting Jesus, Satan also says, “It is written…” Thus, when Ernie said, “I now know I am safe because of what the angel just quoted…” he is not on solid ground. Just because an “angel” quotes Scripture before us, this is not really proof that he is of God, and that we are “safe.”” Steve Wohlberg

 

We need to remember a few facts. 1) Ernie is in a dream. It is not reality. 2) Ernie chose one of the most well known verses in the Bible for testing a false spirit and sought God in prayer to make it known if the Herald was a demon. Notice what he says:

 

“Knowing that an angel of Satan can only answer that Jesus did not come in the flesh, if the Herald stated this, it would prove that he is an agent of Satan and is trying to deceive many. However, if the Herald answered that Jesus did come in the flesh, then that would mean I am not being deceived. With these verses in mind, I invited some to join me in prayer that if the Father would send another dream that I would be allowed to ask this question of the Herald. This morning I was given the following dream.” Love and Rebuke

 

We wonder how long Wohlberg expected Ernie should wait before he could be sure the Herald is not an evil ange. How long did the prophets of old wait before accepting the messages they proclaimed? How long did Ellen White and those she shared her first vision with wait before accepting it as from God?

 

"I related this vision [her first vision] to the believers in Portland, who had full confidence that it was from God. They all believed that God had chosen this way, after the great disappointment in October, to comfort and strengthen His people. The Spirit of the Lord attended the testimony, and the solemnity of eternity rested upon us. An unspeakable awe filled me, that I, so young and feeble, should be chosen as the instrument by which God would give light to His people. While under the power of the Lord, I was filled with joy, seeming to be surrounded by holy angels in the glorious courts of heaven, where all is peace and gladness; and it was a sad and bitter change to wake up to the realities of mortal life." Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G. White, p. 61.3

 

Q. Does God answer our prayers, especially when we are seeking to know if we have been deceived?

 

Absolutely. That is why we have 1 John 4:1-3.

 

So called false accusations about Ed Reid

“I do know Ed Reid. He is a good friend and one of the godliest men I know. His end-time books, 3ABN presentations, and many talks at camp meetings have blessed tens of thousands of people. He is a true man of God seeking to prepare others for the return of Jesus Christ. Yet the dream acknowledges none of this. Ed is only portrayed as a money counter who wants to keep the money in “my storehouse.” How unjust! The dream then prepares for the Herald’s “confession” of 1 John 4:3:” Steve Wohlberg

 

Q. Does writing end-time books, appearing on 3ABN and blessing tens of thousands of people at camp meetings ensure someone is on God’s side?

 

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23

 

“Many a star that we have admired for its brilliance will then go out in darkness. Those who have assumed the ornaments of the sanctuary, but are not clothed with Christ's righteousness, will then appear in the shame of their own nakedness.” Prophet and Kings, p. 188.1

 

Q. When rebuking the scribes and Pharisees, did Jesus ever mention their good points?

 

“But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!” Matthew 23:13-16

 

Jesus had very little good to say about the leadership of the church in His day. Where rebuke is required, He does not mince words. When you read the messages to the last day church, the church of Laodicea, ask yourself where all the good points are that Jesus brings up.

 

God defending an angel

“One would assume that the “voice” heard is the voice of God. It seems quite strange that God Almighty would so dramatically seek to defend an angel!” Steve Wohlberg

 

In defending the angel, God defends His truth. The angel says he is just a messenger. Instead of seeing this as defending an angel, we should view this as defending the One who sent the angel, Jesus Christ.

 

The Herald trying to deceive

“It seems to me that a true angel from God would not make so much out of a mere verbal “confession.” According to “the Herald,” the purpose of his “confession” to convince “all” that he speaks the truth, so that we may all unite with him “in the great work.” But if he is a demon, such a strategy is makes perfect sense.” Steve Wohlberg

 

Our assumptions are not always correct. Considering Ernie has asked God to answer his prayer, the Herald’s answer gives a true and precise account of the life of Jesus. Is there something wrong with that?

 

Jesus a created being

“While it is true that Jesus Christ is acknowledged by the Herald as being our Creator, it is not true that He came to earth “as a created Being.” The Herald stated this a number of times. Do a Bible search. Do a SOP search. You will never find such language applying to the Son of God. Instead, both the Bible and the SOP teach that the Eternal Son of God took on human form and clothed His divinity with humanity. Yet all throughout, “God was manifest in the flesh” (1 Timothy 3:16). Even after taking human form, Jesus was still the great “I AM” (see John 8:58). Significantly, immediately following Paul’s statement in 1 Timothy 3:16, in the very next verse, he warned that “seducing spirits” will teach otherwise and lead some to “depart from the faith” (1 Timothy 4:1). Notice this: Satan fell because of his ambition to be equal with God. He desired to enter into the divine counsels and purposes, from which he was excluded by his own inability, as a created being, to comprehend the wisdom of the Infinite One. It was this ambitious pride that led to his rebellion, and by the same means he seeks to cause the ruin of man (The Faith I Live By, p. 68).

Thus it is Satan who is “a created being,” and his jealousy of Jesus Christ over this very issue is part of the reason why he fell! Thus it makes sense that one of his angels would portray Jesus in this way. But again, it’s not true. Here, the Herald lied.” Steve Wohlberg


Q. Did the Herald teach that Jesus is a created being?

 

No. The full context below shows just what the Herald meant.

 

"I watched as Lucifer brought sin onto the world. I watched as the Father, the Son and God’s Spirit laid out a plan to save His created beings. I watched as it was decided that Jesus would come to Earth as a created Being. He the Creator would become one of the created. I watched as Jesus our Creator said goodbye to the Father and the Holy Spirit placed Him in the womb as a seed. He was placed in a pure undefiled womb that had never been touched. I heard the silence of heaven because the Creator was no longer on the throne next to the Father. I watched when the Father would look and find the throne next to His empty. I watched as the Father looked forward to the day when His Son would be returned to Him. But yet I saw such love the Father had that He allowed His only Son to give up His place on the throne and become a created Being. Jesus the Creator became a human. He became that which was created in His own image. What more, Jesus would come not only as a man as Adam but Jesus came as Adam in sin. Jesus came with no propensity to sin. Jesus could have sinned, but He did not." - Love and Rebuke, April 12, 2008

 

Q. What did the Herald mean when he said Jesus came as a created being?

 

“I watched as it was decided that Jesus would come to Earth as a created Being. He the Creator would become one of the created.” Love and Rebuke, April 12, 2008

 

“But yet I saw such love the Father had that He allowed His only Son to give up His place on the throne and become a created Being. Jesus the Creator became a human. He became that which was created in His own image.” Love and Rebuke, April 12, 2008

 

Q. Did Ellen White ever teach Jesus came as a created being?

 

"His human nature must pass through the same test and trial Adam and Eve passed through. His human nature was created; it did not even possess the angelic powers. It was human, identical with our own. He was passing over the ground where Adam fell. He was now where, if He endured the test and trial in behalf of the fallen race, He would redeem Adam's disgraceful failure and fall, in our own humanity." -3 Selected Messages, p.129

 

The Herald is trying too hard to convince us

“It is obvious that the Herald is trying hard to prove his divine credentials. But think about it: doesn't’t it seem strange that a true angel would present such proof? Have you ever heard of a heavenly angel trying so hard to defend himself? I haven’t. The whole thing seems highly suspicious, and very much like what a demon would do to gain our confidence. Next, the three angels “shoot upwards” like “three beams of pure light.” While “pure light” is good, Paul also warns that “Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light” (2 Cor. 11:14).” Steve Wohlberg

 

When one finds fault with something, they will imagine all sorts of things to prove their point. The Herald makes it plain who he serves, Jesus Christ. Maybe the reason why he has tried so hard is because we are the generation that will see Jesus return, and most of His professed people are not hearing His voice. Instead of simply casting us away, He tries every means possible to reveal Himself.

 

We must accept the dreams

“Here the Herald declares, “you must acknowledge these messages are of God.” This is quite forceful. According to this statement, it is not enough for us to acknowledge the truth that is in the Bible and SOP (salvation through Jesus Christ, the Three Angel’s Messages, etc), but now we “must acknowledge these messages are of God.” Thus he points, not just to Biblical truth, but to the dreams themselves.” Steve Wohlberg

 

Q. Are we at liberty to reject God’s messages?

 

“We have more light than they had in their day; and if we would be accepted of God, we must be as faithful in obeying the light and walking in it as they were in receiving and obeying the light that God sent to them. We must accept and improve the light that shines upon our pathway as faithfully as they accepted and improved the light that fell upon their pathway in their generation. We shall be judged according to the light that shines into the soul-temple in our day; and if we follow the light, we shall be free men and women in Christ Jesus.” Faith and Works. p. 122.3

 

“Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:” John 10:25-27

 

Not to share your studies

“Here the Herald informs Ernie, “You were wrong…in sharing your studies” about tithe with others. This is a very strange “rebuke” from Jesus. Nowhere in the Bible or in the SOP are we commanded not to share what we study with others. Paul said, “study…” (2 Tim. 2:15) Then he said, “teach” (verse 24). Then the Herald rebukes Ernie for not doing what he was “told” to do. This is all highly significant. Thus the Herald tells everyone that we “must” acknowledge his messages, and that Ernie should do what he is “told.” Here he is becoming quite controlling and is acting exactly like we would expect a demon to act.” Steve Wohlberg

 

Q. Is there a situation in the Bible where a prophet was told not to reveal something?

 

“And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.” Revelation 10:4

 

Q. Are we at liberty to disobey what God tells us to do?

 

No.

 

Q. How was Jonah treated when he refused to obey the word of God?

 

“Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me. But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD. But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken... Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows. Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.” Jonah 1:1-4, 16-17


“Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.” Jonah 2:1-2, 10

 

“And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee. So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.” Jonah 3:1-3

 

Q. What was God’s response when Ellen White failed to do what she was told?

 

“It was a great cross for me to relate to the erring what had been shown me concerning them. It caused me great distress to see others troubled or grieved. And when obliged to declare the messages, I would often soften them down, and make them appear as favorable for the individual as I could, and then would go by myself and weep in agony of spirit. I looked upon those who seemed to have only their own souls to care for, and thought if I were in their condition I would not murmur. It was hard to relate the plain, cutting testimonies given me of God. I anxiously watched the result, and if the persons reproved rose up against the reproof, and afterward opposed the truth, these queries would arise in my mind: Did I deliver the message just as I should? Could there not have been some way to save them? And then such distress pressed upon my soul that I often felt that death would be a welcome messenger, and the grave a sweet resting-place.

I did not realize that I was unfaithful in thus questioning and doubting, and did not see the danger and sin of such a course, until in vision I was taken into the presence of Jesus. He looked upon me with a frown, and turned His face from me. It is not possible to describe the terror and agony I then felt. I fell upon my face before Him, but had no power to utter a word. Oh, how I longed to be covered and hid from that dreadful frown! Then could I realize, in some degree, what the feelings of the lost will be when they cry to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb." Revelation 6:16.

“Presently an angel bade me rise, and the sight that met my eyes can hardly be described. Before me was a company whose hair and garments were torn, and whose countenances were the very picture of despair and horror. They came close to me, and rubbed their garments upon mine. As I looked at my garments, I saw that they were stained with blood. Again I fell like one dead, at the feet of my accompanying angel. I could not plead one excuse, and longed to be away from that holy place.

The angel raised me to my feet, and said: "This is not your case now, but this scene has passed before you to let you know what your situation must be if you neglect to declare to others what the Lord has revealed to you. But if you are faithful to the end, you shall eat of the tree of life, and shall drink of the river of the water of life. You will have to suffer much, but the grace of God is sufficient." Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G. White, p. 78-79

 

Q. Why was Ernie told not to share what he had found concerning the tithe?

 

"How can others learn and depend on God if you do the studying for them. How can they learn to have a close relationship to the Father if you don’t allow them to pray? Each must take their questions and reservations to the Creator. Each must learn to stand by themselves before the Father." Love and Rebuke, April 12, 2008

 

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Acts 17:11

 

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15

 

We should be asking ourselves, if the Herald is a demon, why would he encourage people to seek God’s guidance and study for themselves? Wouldn't he prefer to tell them what to believe?

 

Sins and rebellion

“Here the Herald declares that those who oppose the dreams should “confess” their “sins so all will hear of your rebellion”! Here there is absolutely no recognition whatsoever of the true motivation of many who are opposing the dreams. The Herald simply states, “sins” and “rebellion.” When I first read this, the Spirit of Truth only deepened my conviction that the Herald is a deceiver, and not an angel sent from the One who died for my sins. Let me speak for myself (as I am apparently one of the “three” people specifically rebuked in this dream), what has motivated me is not “sins” and “rebellion,” but a sincere desire to follow God’s counsel and to watch out for demonic deceptions (see Mat. 24:4; 2 Cor. 11:14, etc). The real Jesus Christ knows both the truth and my heart; yet in this case, the Herald totally missed it. He “misspoke,” just like Hillary Clinton recently did concerning her landing in Bosnia under sniper fire. In a previous document to Ernie’s board I shared the following quote. This is what been driving me to become concerned about these dreams:” Steve Wohlberg

 

Q. Is our profession of Jesus enough to save us?

 

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23

 

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left… Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me." Mathew 25:31-45

 

These people felt in their heart that they were following Jesus and they thought they loved Him.

 

God doesn't threaten us

“Finally, at the conclusions of the dream, the Herald ends his “rebuke” with these words, Kneel, confess your sins lest the streams and rivers dry up and the horse that drinks die, lest you walk the face of the earth and every ear turn away from you as the words you speak fall like rocks from your mouth. Repent lest the Lord God spew you out of His mouth as boiling seawater. Let he that holds the keys to the vault repent for the evil you have done and spoken against Me and My servant. Let him prostrate himself before the Master Key Maker and ask for forgiveness and walk no more in the ways of your errors. Let him confess before all of misconstruing what he knows is truth as he has been shown. Confess before all lest the keys be knocked from your hand and placed in the hands of another. Let this person humble them self before the Lord of truth for speaking errors. Let this person acknowledge a proud boasting walk and ask for humbleness. Let this person admit their faults of using a tongue that speaks against truth lest that tongue be cut off and you walk the earth dumb. Let all who have spoken evil against the message and messenger I have sent prostrate themselves before the throne of God. Ask for forgiveness in the name of His Son. Let them admit fault and take up their cross and follow the path of Jesus. Let them do this before the book is closed and the name is not written in the book.”

What a threat! Here the Herald says that if those who oppose these dreams don’t “repent” their tongues will be “cut off” and they will be spewed out of God’s mouth “as boiling seawater!” After reading this, a number of Bible texts came to my mind. First, I thought about Jesus Christ’s warning about “ravenous wolves” who come “in sheep’s clothing” (Matthew 7:15). Many times in these dreams, the Herald smiles and his dimples show. Yet in the above “rebuke,” the wolf speaks and snarls. As for me, the only conviction the Herald’s wild rebuke brings is a deeper conviction that he is a demon.” Steve Wohlberg

 

Q. Is there a record in the Bible where it says God will spew us out of His mouth?

 

“So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” Revelation 3:16-19

 

Q. Does God ever call His people to repent or else they will loose their eternal life?

 

“Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations. For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself: And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.” Ezekiel 14:6-8

 

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.” Luke 13:5

 

“Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.” Revelation 2:5

 

Q. Does God ever ask His people to humble themselves before Him?

 

“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14

 

“Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.” James 4:10

 

Q. Does God ever threaten us?

 

“Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth. And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the LORD; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity. And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy. And I will cause them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth, because of Manasseh the son of Hezekiah king of Judah, for that which he did in Jerusalem. For who shall have pity upon thee, O Jerusalem? or who shall bemoan thee? or who shall go aside to ask how thou doest? Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting.” Jeremiah 15:1-6

 

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11

 

Q. Why does God chasten us?

 

“For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.” Hebrews 12:6

 

An interesting parallel

Before we conclude, let us notice an experience Ellen White had that is similar in many points to Steve Wohlberg’s situation:

 

"Sunday morning we met with the brethren, and my husband arose to preach on the parable of the ten virgins. He had no freedom in speaking, and proposed that we have a season of prayer. We bowed before the Lord and engaged in earnest prayer. The dark cloud was lifted, and I was taken off in vision, and again shown the case of this woman. She was represented to me as being in perfect darkness. Jesus frowned upon her and her husband. That withering frown caused me to tremble. I saw that she had acted the hypocrite, professing holiness while her heart was full of corruption. After I came out of vision I related with trembling, yet with faithfulness, what I had seen. I was severely tried, and anxious for the people of God. Would those present believe the testimony? The woman put on a calm appearance and said, 'I am glad the Lord knows my heart. He knows that I love him.' Then her husband rose in anger, and laying his hand on the Bible said, 'The Bible is all we want, I shall not give up the Bible for visions.' His wife affected to check him, saying, 'Don't, husband, dear, don't talk; the Lord knows me, and will take care of it all.' Then she vindicated herself, saying, 'If my heart could only be opened that you might see it.' I knew the minds of some were unsettled, whether to believe what the Lord had shown me, or let her appearance weigh against the testimony borne. Her appearance was perfectly calculated to gain their sympathy. But I had discharged a painful duty and God would take care of the result. At the close of the meeting she stated that she had no hard feelings against me, and that she should pray for me, and if I got to heaven I would see her there. We returned with Brother P.'s family, and that night the Lord met with us. I believed that the Lord would show his people the truth, and justify the vision. The neighbors said that I had abused the poor woman.

"Not long after this, terrible fear seized this woman. A horror rested upon her, and she began to confess. She even went from house to house among her unbelieving neighbors, and confessed that the man she had been living with for years was not her husband, that she ran away from England and left a kind husband and one child. She also confessed that she had professed to understand medicine, and had taken oath that the bottles of mixture she made cost her one dollar when they cost her only twelve cents, that she had taken thirty dollars from a poor man by taking a false oath. Many such wicked acts she confessed, and her repentance seemed to be genuine. In some cases she restored where she had taken away wrongfully. In one instance she started on foot forty miles to confess. We could see the hand of God in this matter. He gave her no rest day nor night, until she confessed her sins publicly. This fully justified in the minds of the brethren and those also of their neighbors who sympathized with her for a time what God had shown me of her vileness under the garb of sanctification." Life Sketches of James White and Ellen G. White, p. 267.1


Conclusion

Because Steve Wohlberg wants to reject Ernie’s dreams, he would go so far as to teach that we cannot use 1 John 4:1-3 to test good or bad angels and yet we read where Ellen White quotes these verses to do just that. It is true that 1 John 4:1-3 is not the only test we should use, and in Ernie’s next dream "Testing the Spirits", Jesus reveals many other Bible and Spirit of Prophecy statements His people should use to test prophets and angels.

 

In this second letter, Steve Wohlberg reveals his true feelings as he feels threatened from God’s rebukes. If he had not misused Ellen White's writings to try and prove Ernie was wrong about the tithe and lead so many to reject the dreams, Steve would never have been rebuked. Wohlberg started the attack, and when God rebukes him and calls for his repentance, he considers it a threat and believes the devil is speaking. Wohlberg needs to remember that because he is in such a responsible position, God will hold him accountable for all those who listen to him. That is why God rebukes him. It is often the case when someone is rebuked that they respond by attacking the one who gives the rebuke. This is what Wohlberg is doing. Instead of feeling threatened, he should consider the words of Jesus “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.”

 

Citations:

  1. www.4hispeople.info/critics/Comments_about_the_Love_and_Rebuke_dream_2.pdf